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pbauer

state of multilingual

Hi all,

the discussion about multilingual for dexterity seems to have ended without a usable product or even a roadmap.The last discussion was http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Plone-next-generation-multilingual-tt6913247.html. The last commit to the packages (plone.multilingual, plone.app.multilingual, plone.multilingualbehavior and archetypes.multilingual) were in December.

We're currently working on a big project with dexterity-ct's and behaviors with A LOT of fields, many of which should be language-independent. Before we tell our customer that we were incredibly stupid in our guess that this will be in a usable state by march we'd like to ask if there is a plan™ and what it says. We'd love to work on that too (after PloneKonf because we are pretty busy organizing) but we don't know if everyone is on board with using plone.multiplingual

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ajung

Re: state of multilingual

I only know that plone.app.multilingual is used in production at the HU Berlin...however with several issues and rough edges...I have a pretty long list of things to look at....

-aj

pbauer wrote

Hi all,

the discussion about multilingual for dexterity seems to have ended without a usable product or even a roadmap.The last discussion was http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Plone-next-generation-multilingual-tt6913247.html. The last commit to the packages (plone.multilingual, plone.app.multilingual, plone.multilingualbehavior and archetypes.multilingual) were in December.

We're currently working on a big project with dexterity-ct's and behaviors with A LOT of fields, many of which should be language-independent. Before we tell our customer that we were incredibly stupid in our guess that this will be in a usable state by march we'd like to ask if there is a plan™ and what it says. We'd love to work on that too (after PloneKonf because we are pretty busy organizing) but we don't know if everyone is on board with using plone.multiplingual

Philip

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Martin Aspeli

Re: state of multilingual

Jonathan and Ramon may have something to say on this...

On 7 February 2012 13:20, ajung <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I only know that plone.app.multilingual is used in production at the HU
> Berlin...however with several issues and rough edges...I have a pretty long
> list of things to look at....
>
> -aj
>
>
> pbauer wrote
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> the discussion about multilingual for dexterity seems to have ended
>> without a usable product or even a roadmap.The last discussion was
>> http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Plone-next-generation-multilingual-tt6913247.html.
>> The last commit to the packages (plone.multilingual,
>> plone.app.multilingual, plone.multilingualbehavior and
>> archetypes.multilingual) were in December.
>>
>> We're currently working on a big project with dexterity-ct's and behaviors
>> with A LOT of fields, many of which should be language-independent. Before
>> we tell our customer that we were incredibly stupid in our guess that this
>> will be in a usable state by march we'd like to ask if there is a plan™
>> and what it says. We'd love to work on that too (after PloneKonf because
>> we are pretty busy organizing) but we don't know if everyone is on board
>> with using plone.multiplingual
>>
>> Philip
>>
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Soares Isaias

Plone bug(?): The id ".wf_policy_config" is invalid - it is already in use.

In reply to this post by ajung

Hi all..

(Plone 4.4, downloaded recently from the official site)

I created a new policy and tried to apply it to a folder, and I got this:

----------------------------------------

Traceback (innermost last):

Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 126, in publish
Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 77, in mapply
Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 46, in call_object
Module Products.CMFCore.FSPythonScript, line 130, in __call__
Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 322, in __call__
Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 359, in _bindAndExec
Module Products.PythonScripts.PythonScript, line 344, in _exec
Module script, line 3, in placeful_workflow_configuration_add
<FSPythonScript at /Plone/placeful_workflow_configuration_add>
Line 3
Module Products.CMFPlacefulWorkflow.WorkflowPolicyConfig, line 47, in manage_addWorkflowPolicyConfig
Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 323, in _setObject
Module Products.CMFCore.Skinnable, line 213, in _checkId
Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 115, in checkValidId

BadRequest: The id ".wf_policy_config" is invalid - it is already in use.

-----------------------------------------

Any ideas?

Best regards.

Isaias.

ajung

Re: Plone bug(?): The id ".wf_policy_config" is invalid - it is already in use.

There is no Plone 4.4 and your posting has nothing to do with the subject here.

-aj

Soares Isaias wrote

Hi all..

(Plone 4.4, downloaded recently from the official site)

I created a new policy and tried to apply it to a folder, and I got this:
----------------------------------------

Traceback (innermost last):
* Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 126, in publish
* Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 77, in mapply
* Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 46, in call_object
* Module Products.CMFCore.FSPythonScript, line 130, in __call__
* Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 322, in __call__
* Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 359, in _bindAndExec
* Module Products.PythonScripts.PythonScript, line 344, in _exec
* Module script, line 3, in placeful_workflow_configuration_add
<FSPythonScript at /Plone/placeful_workflow_configuration_add>
Line 3
* Module Products.CMFPlacefulWorkflow.WorkflowPolicyConfig, line 47, in manage_addWorkflowPolicyConfig
* Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 323, in _setObject
* Module Products.CMFCore.Skinnable, line 213, in _checkId
* Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 115, in checkValidId
BadRequest: The id ".wf_policy_config" is invalid - it is already in use.

-----------------------------------------

Any ideas?

Best regards.

Isaias.

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Malthe Borch-2

Re: Plone bug(?): The id ".wf_policy_config" is invalid - it is already in use.

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On 8 February 2012 01:30, Soares Isaias <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Module Products.CMFPlacefulWorkflow.WorkflowPolicyConfig, line 47, in
> manage_addWorkflowPolicyConfig
> Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 323, in _setObject
> Module Products.CMFCore.Skinnable, line 213, in _checkId
> Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 115, in checkValidId
>
> BadRequest: The id ".wf_policy_config" is invalid - it is already in use.

That's already been reported: http://dev.plone.org/ticket/11341. Not
sure if it's been resolved though.

Note that we don't generally discuss bugs on this list.

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Soares Isaias

Re: Plone bug(?): The id ".wf_policy_config" is invalid - it is already in use.

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Hi!

Sorry about the inconvenience, but I could not send this bug to developers. Anyone could help me?

Best regards.

Isaias.

From: ajung <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Plone-developers] Plone bug(?): The id ".wf_policy_config" is invalid - it is already in use.

There is no Plone 4.4 and your posting has nothing to do with the subject
here.

-aj

Soares Isaias wrote

>
> Hi all..
>
> (Plone 4.4, downloaded recently from the official site)
>
>
> I created a new policy and tried to apply it to a folder, and I got this:
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>     * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 126, in publish
>     * Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 77, in mapply
>     * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 46, in call_object
>     * Module Products.CMFCore.FSPythonScript, line 130, in __call__
>     * Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 322, in __call__
>     * Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 359, in _bindAndExec
>     * Module Products.PythonScripts.PythonScript, line 344, in _exec
>     * Module script, line 3, in placeful_workflow_configuration_add
> <FSPythonScript at /Plone/placeful_workflow_configuration_add>
> Line 3
>     * Module Products.CMFPlacefulWorkflow.WorkflowPolicyConfig, line 47, in
> manage_addWorkflowPolicyConfig
>     * Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 323, in _setObject
>     * Module Products.CMFCore.Skinnable, line 213, in _checkId
>     * Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 115, in checkValidId
> BadRequest: The id ".wf_policy_config" is invalid - it is already in use.
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Best regards.
>
> Isaias.
>
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Elizabeth Leddy-2

Re: Plone bug(?): The id ".wf_policy_config" is invalid - it is already in use.

It's ok :) The best thing at this point is to reopen the bug and add as many details as you can. Don't forget the Plone version and all that identification info.

Liz

On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:06 AM, Soares Isaias wrote:

Hi!

Sorry about the inconvenience, but I could not send this bug to developers. Anyone could help me?

Best regards.

Isaias.

From: ajung <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Plone-developers] Plone bug(?): The id ".wf_policy_config" is invalid - it is already in use.

There is no Plone 4.4 and your posting has nothing to do with the subject
here.

-aj

Soares Isaias wrote

>
> Hi all..
>
> (Plone 4.4, downloaded recently from the official site)
>
>
> I created a new policy and tried to apply it to a folder, and I got this:
> ----------------------------------------
>
> Traceback (innermost last):
>     * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 126, in publish
>     * Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 77, in mapply
>     * Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 46, in call_object
>     * Module Products.CMFCore.FSPythonScript, line 130, in __call__
>     * Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 322, in __call__
>     * Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 359, in _bindAndExec
>     * Module Products.PythonScripts.PythonScript, line 344, in _exec
>     * Module script, line 3, in placeful_workflow_configuration_add
> <FSPythonScript at /Plone/placeful_workflow_configuration_add>
> Line 3
>     * Module Products.CMFPlacefulWorkflow.WorkflowPolicyConfig, line 47, in
> manage_addWorkflowPolicyConfig
>     * Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 323, in _setObject
>     * Module Products.CMFCore.Skinnable, line 213, in _checkId
>     * Module OFS.ObjectManager, line 115, in checkValidId
> BadRequest: The id ".wf_policy_config" is invalid - it is already in use.
>
> -----------------------------------------
>
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Best regards.
>
> Isaias.
>
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Ramon Navarro Bosch

Re: state of multilingual

In reply to this post by Martin Aspeli

Hey everybody,

We are using P.A.M. on some production sites (small sites) and is
working fine with AT and Dexterity.

Nowadays there is no language independent field and translation UI
implementation, is a hard problem you are welcome to help
implementing. It's an evolution of the one that is beiing used at HU
Berlin.

* plone.multilingual : the core works fine, the objects are referenced
using plone.uuid
* archetypes.multilingual : there is no LP magic (factory, language
independent field) on it, but it allows to create translated AT
wherever you want
* plone.multilingualbehavior : there is no factory and language
independent field magic, but it allows to create a translated
dexterity type wherever you want
* plone.app.multilingual : installer ok, control panel to configure
multiple languages ok, creation of root language folders and a layout
to redirect the home page to the correct language folder ( as in LP )
ok. Needs the translation UI

Sorry for the delay but we are delivering to big projects!

Ramon

On 7 February 2012 19:58, Martin Aspeli <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Jonathan and Ramon may have something to say on this...
>
> On 7 February 2012 13:20, ajung <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I only know that plone.app.multilingual is used in production at the HU
>> Berlin...however with several issues and rough edges...I have a pretty long
>> list of things to look at....
>>
>> -aj
>>
>>
>> pbauer wrote
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> the discussion about multilingual for dexterity seems to have ended
>>> without a usable product or even a roadmap.The last discussion was
>>> http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Plone-next-generation-multilingual-tt6913247.html.
>>> The last commit to the packages (plone.multilingual,
>>> plone.app.multilingual, plone.multilingualbehavior and
>>> archetypes.multilingual) were in December.
>>>
>>> We're currently working on a big project with dexterity-ct's and behaviors
>>> with A LOT of fields, many of which should be language-independent. Before
>>> we tell our customer that we were incredibly stupid in our guess that this
>>> will be in a usable state by march we'd like to ask if there is a plan™
>>> and what it says. We'd love to work on that too (after PloneKonf because
>>> we are pretty busy organizing) but we don't know if everyone is on board
>>> with using plone.multiplingual
>>>
>>> Philip
>>>
>>> --
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Re: state of multilingual

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Ramon Navarro Bosch <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hey everybody,
>
> We are using P.A.M. on some production sites (small sites) and is
> working fine with AT and Dexterity.
>
> Nowadays there is no language independent field and translation UI
> implementation, is a hard problem you are welcome to help
> implementing. It's an evolution of the one that is beiing used at HU
> Berlin.
>
> * plone.multilingual : the core works fine, the objects are referenced
> using plone.uuid
> * archetypes.multilingual : there is no LP magic (factory, language
> independent field) on it, but it allows to create translated AT
> wherever you want
> * plone.multilingualbehavior : there is no factory and language
> independent field magic, but it allows to create a translated
> dexterity type wherever you want
> * plone.app.multilingual : installer ok, control panel to configure
> multiple languages ok, creation of root language folders and a layout
> to redirect the home page to the correct language folder ( as in LP )
> ok. Needs the translation UI
>
> Sorry for the delay but we are delivering to big projects!
>
> Ramon
>

I'm interested in helping with this. Maybe we can organize a sprint to
give these products a huge push forward ?

Regards,
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J-C Brand

Re: state of multilingual

On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 02:37 -0300, Franco Pellegrini wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Ramon Navarro Bosch <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > Hey everybody,
> >
> > We are using P.A.M. on some production sites (small sites) and is
> > working fine with AT and Dexterity.
> >
> > Nowadays there is no language independent field and translation UI
> > implementation, is a hard problem you are welcome to help
> > implementing. It's an evolution of the one that is beiing used at HU
> > Berlin.
> >
> > * plone.multilingual : the core works fine, the objects are referenced
> > using plone.uuid
> > * archetypes.multilingual : there is no LP magic (factory, language
> > independent field) on it, but it allows to create translated AT
> > wherever you want
> > * plone.multilingualbehavior : there is no factory and language
> > independent field magic, but it allows to create a translated
> > dexterity type wherever you want
> > * plone.app.multilingual : installer ok, control panel to configure
> > multiple languages ok, creation of root language folders and a layout
> > to redirect the home page to the correct language folder ( as in LP )
> > ok. Needs the translation UI
> >
> > Sorry for the delay but we are delivering to big projects!
> >
> > Ramon
> >
>
> I'm interested in helping with this. Maybe we can organize a sprint to
> give these products a huge push forward ?

Me too!

By the way Philip, I'll be going to the Plone Konf in 2 weeks, and then
work at Syslab's office in Munich for the whole of March. As you know
Syslab works with large multilingual sites, so I'm sure they'll also be
interested in helping out.

For the Plone Konf, I was planning to continue sprinting on
jarn.xmpp/babble.chat integration, but perhaps we can organise a time
for sprinting on P.A.M, either the sprint-weekend after the Konf or
later in March?

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Jonathan Lewis-2

Re: state of multilingual

Dear everyone,

My department is going to sponsor Ramon to do a small amount of work on P.A.M., probably focusing on language independent fields.

As it happens, I should be able to be in Europe in the last two weeks of March. If Ramon is available to spend two or three days working intensively on p.a.m during that time perhaps we could get together?

Jonathan Lewis
Graduate School of Social Sciences
Hitotsubashi University, Tokyo

On 2012/02/09, at 17:43, Jan-Carel Brand wrote:

> On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 02:37 -0300, Franco Pellegrini wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Ramon Navarro Bosch <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hey everybody,
>>>
>>> We are using P.A.M. on some production sites (small sites) and is
>>> working fine with AT and Dexterity.
>>>
>>> Nowadays there is no language independent field and translation UI
>>> implementation, is a hard problem you are welcome to help
>>> implementing. It's an evolution of the one that is beiing used at HU
>>> Berlin.
>>>
>>> * plone.multilingual : the core works fine, the objects are referenced
>>> using plone.uuid
>>> * archetypes.multilingual : there is no LP magic (factory, language
>>> independent field) on it, but it allows to create translated AT
>>> wherever you want
>>> * plone.multilingualbehavior : there is no factory and language
>>> independent field magic, but it allows to create a translated
>>> dexterity type wherever you want
>>> * plone.app.multilingual : installer ok, control panel to configure
>>> multiple languages ok, creation of root language folders and a layout
>>> to redirect the home page to the correct language folder ( as in LP )
>>> ok. Needs the translation UI
>>>
>>> Sorry for the delay but we are delivering to big projects!
>>>
>>> Ramon
>>>
>>
>> I'm interested in helping with this. Maybe we can organize a sprint to
>> give these products a huge push forward ?
>
> Me too!
>
> By the way Philip, I'll be going to the Plone Konf in 2 weeks, and then
> work at Syslab's office in Munich for the whole of March. As you know
> Syslab works with large multilingual sites, so I'm sure they'll also be
> interested in helping out.
>
> For the Plone Konf, I was planning to continue sprinting on
> jarn.xmpp/babble.chat integration, but perhaps we can organise a time
> for sprinting on P.A.M, either the sprint-weekend after the Konf or
> later in March?
>
> J-C
>
>

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Patrick Gerken

Re: state of multilingual

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On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 06:37, Franco Pellegrini <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I'm interested in helping with this. Maybe we can organize a sprint to
> give these products a huge push forward ?

We are preparing a sprint on that topic after #PloneKonf, 25.2.-26.2.
If you can join, even remote, that would be awesome!

Best regards,

Patrick

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Re: state of multilingual

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On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 10:43:11 +0200, Jan-Carel Brand <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Me too!
>
> By the way Philip, I'll be going to the Plone Konf in 2 weeks, and then
> work at Syslab's office in Munich for the whole of March. As you know
> Syslab works with large multilingual sites, so I'm sure they'll also be
> interested in helping out.
>
> For the Plone Konf, I was planning to continue sprinting on
> jarn.xmpp/babble.chat integration, but perhaps we can organise a time
> for sprinting on P.A.M, either the sprint-weekend after the Konf or
> later in March?

To gain more sprinters for that it would be great if you could include a
view sentences about your topics, be it remote or on site:

http://www.coactivate.org/projects/plone-konferenz-sprint-2012/project-home

For multi-lingual I see that somebody already has done so.

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