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Hi,

We've had a need lately for more customisable collections, collection  
portlets and search results in many of the projects we're doing.  
Instead of doing custom templates all the time I'd like to put some  
work into a system that allows for more TTW customisation of these  
listings built into the core. Drupal has a very flexible TTW listings  
capability would we should be aiming to match or beat. Also the the  
big advantage of TTW customisation is that if a themer can get Plone  
to expose the right information with good css tags then Diazo is the  
only skill you need to turn that into almost any design. A generic  
listing portlet can be turned into a carousel for instance. No  
template or python knowledge required.

So I'd like some honest feedback on this proposal. I know it crosses  
over the work been done with improving search, contentlistings,  
collections already as well as plugins like formcriteria and  
eea.facetednavigation. For this reason I'm putting the proposal here  
first before as a formal PLIP. I'd like to hear what others think is  
the best solution to these problems.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HQcCVb9U4FOtNzTFBiA9EpeJOla6K1w_7zNFfmrYNfc/edit

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Hi,

No feedback?

Anyone agree or disagree with the aims at least?

1. Allow the user to create specialised search forms in different  
locations in their site
1. Allow the user to customomize their global search page TTW without  
overriding a template
2. Make it easier to customize a search form by separating the form  
from the results listing
3. Allow users to create collections with listings that include any  
metadata from the catalog they choose
4. Allow listings to include suitable css classes so listings can be  
easily transformed by diazo themes.
5. reduce the need to override templates (TTW or otherwise) as  
overriding templates creates upgrade issues. Reduce the need for  
portlet or view plugins providing special listings.
6. Make Plone’s collections as flexible or more flexible than drupals  
listings

> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HQcCVb9U4FOtNzTFBiA9EpeJOla6K1w_7zNFfmrYNfc/ed


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On 27/04/2012, at 6:19 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:

> Hi,
>
> We've had a need lately for more customisable collections,  
> collection portlets and search results in many of the projects we're  
> doing. Instead of doing custom templates all the time I'd like to  
> put some work into a system that allows for more TTW customisation  
> of these listings built into the core. Drupal has a very flexible  
> TTW listings capability would we should be aiming to match or beat.  
> Also the the big advantage of TTW customisation is that if a themer  
> can get Plone to expose the right information with good css tags  
> then Diazo is the only skill you need to turn that into almost any  
> design. A generic listing portlet can be turned into a carousel for  
> instance. No template or python knowledge required.
>
> So I'd like some honest feedback on this proposal. I know it crosses  
> over the work been done with improving search, contentlistings,  
> collections already as well as plugins like formcriteria and  
> eea.facetednavigation. For this reason I'm putting the proposal here  
> first before as a formal PLIP. I'd like to hear what others think is  
> the best solution to these problems.
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HQcCVb9U4FOtNzTFBiA9EpeJOla6K1w_7zNFfmrYNfc/edit
>
> ---
> Dylan Jay
> Technical Solutions Manager
> PretaWeb: Multisite Performance Support
> P: +612 80819071 | M: +61421477460 | twitter.com/djay75 |  
> linkedin.com/in/djay75
>


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Yes, I think it's an interesting problem space where we can do more. I
haven't had a chance to consider the details of the proposal yet.

On 4/30/12 11:24 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:

> Hi,
>
> No feedback?
>
> Anyone agree or disagree with the aims at least?
>
> 1. Allow the user to create specialised search forms in different
> locations in their site
> 1. Allow the user to customomize their global search page TTW without
> overriding a template
> 2. Make it easier to customize a search form by separating the form
> from the results listing
> 3. Allow users to create collections with listings that include any
> metadata from the catalog they choose
> 4. Allow listings to include suitable css classes so listings can be
> easily transformed by diazo themes.
> 5. reduce the need to override templates (TTW or otherwise) as
> overriding templates creates upgrade issues. Reduce the need for
> portlet or view plugins providing special listings.
> 6. Make Plone’s collections as flexible or more flexible than drupals
> listings
>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HQcCVb9U4FOtNzTFBiA9EpeJOla6K1w_7zNFfmrYNfc/ed
>
> ---
> Dylan Jay
> Technical Solutions Manager
> PretaWeb: Multisite Performance Support
> P: +612 80819071 | M: +61421477460 | twitter.com/djay75 | linkedin.com/
> in/djay75
>
> On 27/04/2012, at 6:19 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We've had a need lately for more customisable collections,
>> collection portlets and search results in many of the projects we're
>> doing. Instead of doing custom templates all the time I'd like to
>> put some work into a system that allows for more TTW customisation
>> of these listings built into the core. Drupal has a very flexible
>> TTW listings capability would we should be aiming to match or beat.
>> Also the the big advantage of TTW customisation is that if a themer
>> can get Plone to expose the right information with good css tags
>> then Diazo is the only skill you need to turn that into almost any
>> design. A generic listing portlet can be turned into a carousel for
>> instance. No template or python knowledge required.
>>
>> So I'd like some honest feedback on this proposal. I know it crosses
>> over the work been done with improving search, contentlistings,
>> collections already as well as plugins like formcriteria and
>> eea.facetednavigation. For this reason I'm putting the proposal here
>> first before as a formal PLIP. I'd like to hear what others think is
>> the best solution to these problems.
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HQcCVb9U4FOtNzTFBiA9EpeJOla6K1w_7zNFfmrYNfc/edit
>>
>> ---
>> Dylan Jay
>> Technical Solutions Manager
>> PretaWeb: Multisite Performance Support
>> P: +612 80819071 | M: +61421477460 | twitter.com/djay75 |
>> linkedin.com/in/djay75
>>
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On 01/05/2012, at 4:27 PM, David Glick wrote:

> Yes, I think it's an interesting problem space where we can do more.  
> I haven't had a chance to consider the details of the proposal yet.

Cool. I'll look forward to your comments.

I can summarise the approach so people can ponder on it:

- replace the dedicated global search with a collection
- turn a collection into a portlet manager (or at least on a specific  
display view so existing collection views work)
- split the search form and the search results into two portlets, both  
of which can be configured to display more or less, and both of which  
can be replaced by other plugins. (we tried this out and it works well).

It's yet another deco like proposal since we don't actually have deco.


>
> On 4/30/12 11:24 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> No feedback?
>>
>> Anyone agree or disagree with the aims at least?
>>
>> 1. Allow the user to create specialised search forms in different
>> locations in their site
>> 1. Allow the user to customomize their global search page TTW without
>> overriding a template
>> 2. Make it easier to customize a search form by separating the form
>> from the results listing
>> 3. Allow users to create collections with listings that include any
>> metadata from the catalog they choose
>> 4. Allow listings to include suitable css classes so listings can be
>> easily transformed by diazo themes.
>> 5. reduce the need to override templates (TTW or otherwise) as
>> overriding templates creates upgrade issues. Reduce the need for
>> portlet or view plugins providing special listings.
>> 6. Make Plone’s collections as flexible or more flexible than drupals
>> listings
>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HQcCVb9U4FOtNzTFBiA9EpeJOla6K1w_7zNFfmrYNfc/ed
>>
>> ---
>> Dylan Jay
>> Technical Solutions Manager
>> PretaWeb: Multisite Performance Support
>> P: +612 80819071 | M: +61421477460 | twitter.com/djay75 |  
>> linkedin.com/
>> in/djay75
>>
>> On 27/04/2012, at 6:19 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> We've had a need lately for more customisable collections,
>>> collection portlets and search results in many of the projects we're
>>> doing. Instead of doing custom templates all the time I'd like to
>>> put some work into a system that allows for more TTW customisation
>>> of these listings built into the core. Drupal has a very flexible
>>> TTW listings capability would we should be aiming to match or beat.
>>> Also the the big advantage of TTW customisation is that if a themer
>>> can get Plone to expose the right information with good css tags
>>> then Diazo is the only skill you need to turn that into almost any
>>> design. A generic listing portlet can be turned into a carousel for
>>> instance. No template or python knowledge required.
>>>
>>> So I'd like some honest feedback on this proposal. I know it crosses
>>> over the work been done with improving search, contentlistings,
>>> collections already as well as plugins like formcriteria and
>>> eea.facetednavigation. For this reason I'm putting the proposal here
>>> first before as a formal PLIP. I'd like to hear what others think is
>>> the best solution to these problems.
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HQcCVb9U4FOtNzTFBiA9EpeJOla6K1w_7zNFfmrYNfc/edit
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Dylan Jay
>>> Technical Solutions Manager
>>> PretaWeb: Multisite Performance Support
>>> P: +612 80819071 | M: +61421477460 | twitter.com/djay75 |
>>> linkedin.com/in/djay75
>>>
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On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:

>
> On 01/05/2012, at 4:27 PM, David Glick wrote:
>
>> Yes, I think it's an interesting problem space where we can do more.  
>> I haven't had a chance to consider the details of the proposal yet.
>
> Cool. I'll look forward to your comments.
>
> I can summarise the approach so people can ponder on it:
>
> - replace the dedicated global search with a collection
> - turn a collection into a portlet manager (or at least on a specific  
> display view so existing collection views work)
> - split the search form and the search results into two portlets, both  
> of which can be configured to display more or less, and both of which  
> can be replaced by other plugins. (we tried this out and it works well).
>
> It's yet another deco like proposal since we don't actually have deco.

Sorry for not responding earlier - I swear I didn't see this!

I'm pretty on the fence on this one, but maybe its because I don't have this use case and don't know any alternative. I just want to point out that many people use search plugins, and have customized the current way. I have one site on solr, and 2 with custom search backends. I know that this isn't the goal of these changes, but we need to make sure to keep these options compatible, if only by configuration. I know most of my users aren't savvy enough to handle more than one search.

2 cents.

Liz

>
>
>>
>> On 4/30/12 11:24 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> No feedback?
>>>
>>> Anyone agree or disagree with the aims at least?
>>>
>>> 1. Allow the user to create specialised search forms in different
>>> locations in their site
>>> 1. Allow the user to customomize their global search page TTW without
>>> overriding a template
>>> 2. Make it easier to customize a search form by separating the form
>>> from the results listing
>>> 3. Allow users to create collections with listings that include any
>>> metadata from the catalog they choose
>>> 4. Allow listings to include suitable css classes so listings can be
>>> easily transformed by diazo themes.
>>> 5. reduce the need to override templates (TTW or otherwise) as
>>> overriding templates creates upgrade issues. Reduce the need for
>>> portlet or view plugins providing special listings.
>>> 6. Make Plone’s collections as flexible or more flexible than drupals
>>> listings
>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HQcCVb9U4FOtNzTFBiA9EpeJOla6K1w_7zNFfmrYNfc/ed
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Dylan Jay
>>> Technical Solutions Manager
>>> PretaWeb: Multisite Performance Support
>>> P: +612 80819071 | M: +61421477460 | twitter.com/djay75 |  
>>> linkedin.com/
>>> in/djay75
>>>
>>> On 27/04/2012, at 6:19 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> We've had a need lately for more customisable collections,
>>>> collection portlets and search results in many of the projects we're
>>>> doing. Instead of doing custom templates all the time I'd like to
>>>> put some work into a system that allows for more TTW customisation
>>>> of these listings built into the core. Drupal has a very flexible
>>>> TTW listings capability would we should be aiming to match or beat.
>>>> Also the the big advantage of TTW customisation is that if a themer
>>>> can get Plone to expose the right information with good css tags
>>>> then Diazo is the only skill you need to turn that into almost any
>>>> design. A generic listing portlet can be turned into a carousel for
>>>> instance. No template or python knowledge required.
>>>>
>>>> So I'd like some honest feedback on this proposal. I know it crosses
>>>> over the work been done with improving search, contentlistings,
>>>> collections already as well as plugins like formcriteria and
>>>> eea.facetednavigation. For this reason I'm putting the proposal here
>>>> first before as a formal PLIP. I'd like to hear what others think is
>>>> the best solution to these problems.
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HQcCVb9U4FOtNzTFBiA9EpeJOla6K1w_7zNFfmrYNfc/edit
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Dylan Jay
>>>> Technical Solutions Manager
>>>> PretaWeb: Multisite Performance Support
>>>> P: +612 80819071 | M: +61421477460 | twitter.com/djay75 |
>>>> linkedin.com/in/djay75
>>>>
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On 02/05/2012, at 4:10 AM, Elizabeth Leddy wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:59 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:
>
>>
>> On 01/05/2012, at 4:27 PM, David Glick wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I think it's an interesting problem space where we can do more.
>>> I haven't had a chance to consider the details of the proposal yet.
>>
>> Cool. I'll look forward to your comments.
>>
>> I can summarise the approach so people can ponder on it:
>>
>> - replace the dedicated global search with a collection
>> - turn a collection into a portlet manager (or at least on a specific
>> display view so existing collection views work)
>> - split the search form and the search results into two portlets,  
>> both
>> of which can be configured to display more or less, and both of which
>> can be replaced by other plugins. (we tried this out and it works  
>> well).
>>
>> It's yet another deco like proposal since we don't actually have  
>> deco.
>
> Sorry for not responding earlier - I swear I didn't see this!
>
> I'm pretty on the fence on this one, but maybe its because I don't  
> have this use case and don't know any alternative. I just want to  
> point out that many

It's true customising search is perhaps not that common. However the  
2nd problem I was trying to solve was more configurable listing pages  
which is an issue I'm having more and more. For example a collection  
view that allows me to pull any data out of the catalog such as  
publication dates, paths etc. By replacing the listing view of  
collections with a portlet manager, the listing view then becomes a  
portlet. Since then portlets have their own configuration it means the  
UI for selecting what and how to display a collection is separated  
from collections itself, and that UI can be replaced by other plugins.

btw, the alternative would be eea.facetednavigation in the core.

> people use search plugins, and have customized the current way. I  
> have one site on solr, and 2 with custom search backends. I know  
> that this isn't the goal of these changes, but we need to make sure  
> to keep these options compatible, if only by configuration. I know  
> most of my users aren't savvy enough to handle more than one search.

I haven't had such a usecase, but how you'd replace global search with  
another is either to replace the collection object in the base with an  
alternative implementation or replace the listing portlet embedded in  
the collection to an alternative portlet implementation. Both of these  
options are via explicit TTW changes rather than hacking core plone  
templates. I see that as a positive step forward as hacking core  
templates makes upgrades hard and can only be done by coders.

>
> 2 cents.
>
> Liz
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 4/30/12 11:24 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> No feedback?
>>>>
>>>> Anyone agree or disagree with the aims at least?
>>>>
>>>> 1. Allow the user to create specialised search forms in different
>>>> locations in their site
>>>> 1. Allow the user to customomize their global search page TTW  
>>>> without
>>>> overriding a template
>>>> 2. Make it easier to customize a search form by separating the form
>>>> from the results listing
>>>> 3. Allow users to create collections with listings that include any
>>>> metadata from the catalog they choose
>>>> 4. Allow listings to include suitable css classes so listings can  
>>>> be
>>>> easily transformed by diazo themes.
>>>> 5. reduce the need to override templates (TTW or otherwise) as
>>>> overriding templates creates upgrade issues. Reduce the need for
>>>> portlet or view plugins providing special listings.
>>>> 6. Make Plone’s collections as flexible or more flexible than  
>>>> drupals
>>>> listings
>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HQcCVb9U4FOtNzTFBiA9EpeJOla6K1w_7zNFfmrYNfc/ed
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Dylan Jay
>>>> Technical Solutions Manager
>>>> PretaWeb: Multisite Performance Support
>>>> P: +612 80819071 | M: +61421477460 | twitter.com/djay75 |
>>>> linkedin.com/
>>>> in/djay75
>>>>
>>>> On 27/04/2012, at 6:19 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> We've had a need lately for more customisable collections,
>>>>> collection portlets and search results in many of the projects  
>>>>> we're
>>>>> doing. Instead of doing custom templates all the time I'd like to
>>>>> put some work into a system that allows for more TTW customisation
>>>>> of these listings built into the core. Drupal has a very flexible
>>>>> TTW listings capability would we should be aiming to match or  
>>>>> beat.
>>>>> Also the the big advantage of TTW customisation is that if a  
>>>>> themer
>>>>> can get Plone to expose the right information with good css tags
>>>>> then Diazo is the only skill you need to turn that into almost any
>>>>> design. A generic listing portlet can be turned into a carousel  
>>>>> for
>>>>> instance. No template or python knowledge required.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I'd like some honest feedback on this proposal. I know it  
>>>>> crosses
>>>>> over the work been done with improving search, contentlistings,
>>>>> collections already as well as plugins like formcriteria and
>>>>> eea.facetednavigation. For this reason I'm putting the proposal  
>>>>> here
>>>>> first before as a formal PLIP. I'd like to hear what others  
>>>>> think is
>>>>> the best solution to these problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HQcCVb9U4FOtNzTFBiA9EpeJOla6K1w_7zNFfmrYNfc/edit
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Dylan Jay
>>>>> Technical Solutions Manager
>>>>> PretaWeb: Multisite Performance Support
>>>>> P: +612 80819071 | M: +61421477460 | twitter.com/djay75 |
>>>>> linkedin.com/in/djay75
>>>>>
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Re: Feedback on PLIP for Customisable Search

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Hi Dylan,

On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 04:59:10PM +1000, Dylan Jay wrote:

>
> On 01/05/2012, at 4:27 PM, David Glick wrote:
>
> > Yes, I think it's an interesting problem space where we can do more.  
> > I haven't had a chance to consider the details of the proposal yet.
>
> Cool. I'll look forward to your comments.
>
> I can summarise the approach so people can ponder on it:
>
> - replace the dedicated global search with a collection
I think that is a good idea. From my experience I can say, that I've
always ended up with a collection providing the content and customized
the template. I think customizing how the content is rendered is needed
most of the time. How it's acquired is usually met by the current
infrastructure esp. with Collections which make manipulating search
results quite easy. That approach turned out to be quite flexible so
far.

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On 17/05/2012, at 9:34 AM, Róman Joost wrote:

> Hi Dylan,
>
> On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 04:59:10PM +1000, Dylan Jay wrote:
>>
>> On 01/05/2012, at 4:27 PM, David Glick wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I think it's an interesting problem space where we can do more.
>>> I haven't had a chance to consider the details of the proposal yet.
>>
>> Cool. I'll look forward to your comments.
>>
>> I can summarise the approach so people can ponder on it:
>>
>> - replace the dedicated global search with a collection
> I think that is a good idea. From my experience I can say, that I've
> always ended up with a collection providing the content and customized
> the template. I think customizing how the content is rendered is  
> needed
> most of the time. How it's acquired is usually met by the current
> infrastructure esp. with Collections which make manipulating search
> results quite easy. That approach turned out to be quite flexible so
> far.

I've changed the proposal a bit. It's now for an enhanced collections  
tile or portlet which lets you configure how a row is displayed, e.g.  
which fields are displayed. It doesn't use templating for that but  
point and click. Then you can use diazo to get that to look however  
you want.
The central idea is to not require knowledge of templating to achieve  
many different collection layouts such as gallery views or carousels.  
You just have to know diazo. The other advantage is it prevents  
template overrides from causing upgrade pain.
Then later this can be used as the basis for combining with a search  
form tile/portlet to make search search customisable. So the  
customisable search is a 2nd step.


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> Cheers,
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>
> Mooball IT = Internet
>
> 13 Rowland Street
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